Baptism Explained as Kundalini Awakening during Liberty Radio Show with Shri Mataji (UK, 1999) – Plus Other Interviews!

This article contains a full-fledged script for One of the many radio interviews of Shri Mataji .. this one is focused on the real Baptism explained as Kundalini Energy’s Awakening and represents an inspiring example ..

Note: By the End of this Article there is a Collection of Interviews with Shri Mataji 

 Enjoy the reaction-experience on air of the moderator of the show:

Baptism Explained as Kundalini Awakening during an Interview with Shri Mataji at LIBERTY RADIO, U.K. (broadcasted on July 12th, 1999, at 12:00 noon):

-MODERATOR: (speaking clearly and enthusiastically) “Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi… recognized world-wide for her pioneering work in awakening the natural healing Energy that lies within every human being. Apparently it’s called the Kundalini and we’ll be awakening yours hopefully, this hour. Shri Mataji, that actually means ‘Mother’, was on G.M.T.V. –for a popular morning TV show— only last week. And the switch-boards were actually bombarded with calls! We wonder if Shri Mataji -or Mother- will have the same effect, here today. Keep it on Liberty for a spiritual awakening! in a few moments’ time.” [Weather report and song]

-MOD.: “Now my next guest, we’re very honored to welcome to the studio today, Her name is Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. ‘Shri Mataji’ actually means ‘Mother’ and She is recognized world-wide for Her pioneering work in awakening the natural healing Energy that lies within every human being. She travels throughout the world, at Her own expense, teaching this life-changing technique to millions of people and apparently we don’t have to part with a penny! On G.M.T.V., only last week, the switch-board was flooded by viewers who’d all experienced strange phenomena whilst listening to Her. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi joins me, now. Welcome to the show!”

-SHRI MATAJI: “Thank you.”

-MOD.: “It’s a pleasure to have You here. Now, you studied medicine and psychology in Your home country of India. Is that right?”

-S.M.: “I did.”
-MOD.: “And now, You travel the world teaching Sahaja Yoga. Is that right?”
-S.M.: “Yes, correct.”
-MOD.: “And, how did You learn this… technique? Is it particularly well known in India?”
-S.M.: “It was used long time back, but the tradition was, they used to give this awakening only to one person among thousands. First they used to test them, cleanse them, do all kinds of things. And ultimately they used to give to one person. One person to one person. That was the tradition. Only, what work I’ve done is to… I have tried to find out human beings, what the problem with them is. Why can’t we have en-masse Realisation? And it worked, it clicked, and I am doing that work.”

-MOD.: “So, the very fact that tradition was passed on to, like You say, one in… in thousands of people, would You say that is why the tradition was actually lost over the years?… The tradition itself, did…”
-S.M.: “Yes. It’s not only Indian tradition. It has been in many countries. But people aren’t aware of it. See, everywhere they have talked about it, that there’s this Power in the sacrum bone, and that It is to be awakened. Even the Greeks knew about it, because they called it as sacrum bone, meaning a sacred bone. So It is not only Indian, It is all over people knew about It, but they didn’t know how to awaken It. In a far-fetched place called Bolivia, they know everything about It. They said: “Two saints came from India and they taught us, long, long time back, and, but we don’t know how to awaken it.””
-MOD.: “Ahhh! Now It’s called, as Kundalini, am I right?”
-S.M.: “Kundalini.”

-MOD.: “Kundalini.”
-S.M.: “Kundalini means a coil. It’s coiled up into three and a half – it has some mathematical relations – that’s why it’s three and a half coils. That energy’s coiled up.”
-MOD.: “And we have to unravel those coils, is that right? And let the Energy flow?”
-S.M.: “Yes.”
-MOD.: “So essentially It’s an energy force that flows through all of us.”
-S.M.: “No, that Energy is within you, dormant. It’s not yet awakened. Once It is awakened, It passes through six subtle centres. And these centres are responsible for our physical, mental, emotional, and also spiritual being. So, when It is there, enlightened, when they are nourished, we get rid of our diseases, we get rid of our mental problems, we develop a balance, peace within, and ultimately, what we get, is the joy.”

-MOD.: “So, why do You think those Energies, within us, then, have… have been suppressed… all these years?”
-S.M.: “Pardon Me?”
-MOD.: “The… our Energies, because You said They’re not awakened, so, by definition, that means that… that They are suppressed. Are they just suppressed?”
-S.M.: “No, not suppressed. They are in a dormant state.”
-MOD.: “A dormant state…”
-S.M.: “Yes. They’re not suppressed. But then, They are to be awakened. It’s like one candle which is enlightened, can enlighten many candles. It’s like that. If you get that awakening, you can awaken thousands.”

-MOD.: “It’s fascinating. My guest is Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, recognised world-wide for Her pioneering work in awakening the natural healing Energy that lies within every human being. It’s called the Kundalini, and hopefully we’ll give you some tips on how you can awaken Yours, in just a few moments’ time.”

-MOD.: “My guest today is Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Shri Mataji means Mother, and that we’re awakening a dormant Energy, in you today. Such is the… extent of the… awakening in the country when viewers tuned in to G.M.T.V. last week, that we thought we must welcome Shri Mataji to the show, to see if She can awaken the dormant Energy, Kundalini, the Kundalini, within all of us. Now, can You… can You… is It something that You can do, actually, at home on Your own, or is It something that we need You to help us do?”
-S.M.: “No, you have to ask some enlightened person to do that.”

-MOD.: “Right.”
-S.M.: “As there is a candle which is not enlightened, it cannot get enlightened by itself. So, you have to go to a person who is enlightened.”
-MOD.: “Like Yourself. And This is something that You can actually do over the air now, if… if… if anyone was listening?”
-S.M.: “Beg your pardon?”

-MOD.: “Is This something you can actually do now, on air?”
-S.M.: ” Yes, I can, I’ll try, I’ll try.” [soft chuckle]
-MOD.: “Okay, great! How, how do we do That then?”
-S.M.: “How?”
-MOD.: “How do we actually awaken the Kundalini?”
-S.M.: “It’s a… you want Me to do it?”
-MOD.: “Ya, ya. Ya.”
-S.M.: “Alright. I would request all of you to put your hands like this.”
-MOD.: “So, hands out.”
-S.M.: ” Out like that.”
-MOD.: “With palms facing upwards.”
-S.M.: “Yes. Palms relaxed, like so. And I have to tell you one thing, is to, first of all, you have to forgive yourself –is very important. You have to forgive yourself. You should not feel guilty. Because, whatever wrong you have done is finished now. Why to feel guilty? The second point is, you have to forgive everyone. That’s a very important point, because there’s a centre here, here.”
-MOD.: “In the forehead. In, in the forehead. Ya.”

-S.M.: “On the optic chiasma, which is very constricted, and if you don’t forgive, it won’t open. So Kundalini won’t be able to pass through that. So, you have to forgive everyone. Logically, if you don’t forgive, you don’t do anything. Whether you forgive or don’t forgive, you don’t do anything. But if you don’t forgive, then you torture yourself. So, best is to forgive. Forgive everyone. Is very simple just to say: “I forgive everyone.” That’s all you have to say. Just to say. Now, put your hands towards Me like that, both, I mean towards your… maybe, radio.”
-MOD.: “Towards your wireless, ya, ya, ya.”
-S.M.: “Towards, both hands. Now, what you can do is to put the right hand towards me like this, and left hand, you have to put on top of the fontanel-bone area.”
-MOD.: “Right. So the left hand…”
-S.M.: “Above the last centre.”
-MOD.: “Right. The left, the left hand goes just above, just above the centre parting on your head.”
-S.M.: “Ya, that was the soft bone in your childhood.”
-MOD.: “Right.”
-MOD.: “Right. On top of your head.”
-S.M.: “Ya, just above.”
-MOD.: “Right.”
-S.M.: “And you put your hand, not on top, but above. And see for yourself if there is any cool or hot breeze-like thing coming -some Vibrations.”
-MOD.: “Right. So you would, you would feel air –warm air or cool air?”
-S.M.: “Ya. But They are Vibrations that are coming in. They look like air, cool air or hot air. Little higher. Alright.”
-MOD.: “Uuh ya, ya.”
-S.M.: “Now. You put the left hand towards Me, like this, and put the right hand on top of your, again, on top of your fontanel-bone area. This is the actualisation of baptism –that you really feel a cool or hot breeze coming out of your own head. Now you can move your hand and see for yourself. If it is cool, well and good! If it is hot, also alright, but that means you have not forgiven, you have not forgiven yourself and you have not forgiven others.” [“not forgiven others” spoken simultaneously by the moderator]
-MOD.: “So that means, if you have your hand above your head, and you’re feeling hot…”
-S.M.: “Ya, hot. Then you better understand that you have not yet forgiven everyone. That’s there. So, better forgive everyone, so it becomes cool again. Now, it has to be cool – is the perfect state.”
-MOD.: “So, if you feel a cool air, then it means you’re in a better place than someone who’s feeling hot air.”
-S.M.: “Now, I… I’ll blow in the mike, if you don’t mind. That will have an effect, better keep the hands like that only, and I’ll blow.”
[Long silence with soft blowing sound]
-MOD.: “So, what is it people will be feeling now at home?”
-S.M.: “It will, It will be coming out. Now, what you have to see is that on your finger-tips, also, you feel the cool breeze. On your finger-tips, and in the centre of your palms – you’ll feel the Cool Breeze. Maybe a little bit hot you might feel, if you have not forgiven yourself. Some may be there. You will feel it. And once you feel it, you should know that you are in connection with this All-Pervading Power of Divine Love, which is known also in the Bible. It’s called as the Cool Breeze of the Holy Ghost. So that’s the… you start feeling now that your connection is established. But still, you have to grow into it, and there are problems within you, so we have follow-ups and all that – we have centres everywhere where you can go and ask them and they will tell you what’s wrong with you. That will correct you physically, mentally, emotionally, and also spiritually.”
-MOD.: “And we’ll give you, those details in just a few moments’ time. Keep to Liberty for more tunes, more chat, and more fun –and more from Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi, and don’t forget to give us a call if you’ve… felt anything at home.”

-MOD.: “And my guest today is Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. Shri Mataji means Mother, and I have to say we’ve seen from Her quite an effect from our audience.

We’ve had… quite a few calls, so far, from people who are experiencing the cool and the… warm air that… You described.

I should explain, if anyone’s just joined us, that we… just did an exercise on the radio, with Shri Mataji, who is recognized world-wide for Her pioneering work in awakening the natural healing Energy that lies within every human being, called the Kundalini. Now there’s… some awakening going on.

What’s the next stage then, Mother?”
-S.M.: “Then you have to perfect yourself. You have to know everything about it. About a month, if you spend on this, you’ll become a master yourself. You can give Realization to thousands, yourself.”
-MOD.: “Is it, is it really that easy though?”
-S.M.: “Ya, ya.” [soft laugh]
-MOD.: “It, it… I thought some people though…”
-S.M.: “It has to be very easy, isn’t it? because so important.”
-MOD.: “Absolutely, so more and more…”
-S.M.: “It’s so vital.”
-MOD.: “So more and more people can do it.”
-S.M.: “It is the last breakthrough of our evolution –last breakthrough of our evolution. And it has to happen to all the people. The Kundalini is present in all the people, whether they are this nationality, that nationality, colour, creed, religion, doesn’t matter. Everybody has this Power, to rise above, to this new Realm, which Einstein has described that: “Once you get your Self-realisation, you jump into the torsion area”, he called it.”
-MOD.: “So, if we awaken It globally, do You envision, in time, then, where we would reach, I suppose, a utopia, because a lot of people might… might say, Mother, who were listening, that there are so many bad things going on in the world. Would You argue that is because… that Kundalini hasn’t been awakened?”
-S.M.: “No, because human beings are to be transformed. You see, human beings have all these weaknesses like greed, anger, hatred, all that. All these things you just forget (after Realization). They just drop out, and you become a beautiful personality which loves and which enjoys.”

-MOD.: “And You say This is something which can be awakened in all of us -everyone, anyone who is listening has the potential… to do this?”
-S.M.: “Ya.”
-MOD.: “And… You can actually… learn how to do It yourself? There is an eight- week series of follow-up programs which You… mentioned, Mother.”
-S.M.: “Yes, yes.”
-MOD.: “Mother… in which you can learn more… to practice the techniques of Sahaja Yoga. We must stress… you don’t part with any cash for this. The first two of these will be held on Wednesday the 14th of July at 7:30 p.m., and Wednesday the 21st of July at 7:30. They’re… on at the Great Hall, the Kensington Town Hall. So if you did feel anything, at home, or perhaps you didn’t, but would still like to find out more, then you can call the Sahaja Yoga information line. That’s, 0181-9305621. That’s, 0181-9305621. There are also Sahaja Yoga centres in… over eighty countries, around the world. Those details available once again on 0181-9305621.

Um, Mother, it’s been an absolute pleasure. Thank You very much for joining us.”
-S.M.: “Thank you. Thank you very much.”
-MOD.: “And the best of luck with everything in the… future.”
-S.M.: “Thank you. Thank you very much.”
-MOD.: “Not at all. My pleasure entirely.”
-MOD.: “If you’ve felt anything… at all at home, even if you felt… that you didn’t feel a thing, then… the Big Man has those details once again if you… fancy going along this, very week.”
-BIG MAN [with deep voice]: “Ya, there’s one this Wednesday, um, it kicks off, they all kick off at 7:30, and apparently you part with NO MONEY whatsoever! And this must be why… one of the reasons why it’s taken so long for This to come to the fore, because anything like this, if you’re parting with money, they like to knock it down. But they’re not asking you for any money. You go along, it’s totally gratis, and there’s one at Covent Gardens. Tells all the Sahaja Yoga programs in London. And I believe there is a number… which I can’t see, have you got the number there? There is a number.”
-MOD.: “There is a number to call, which is 0181…”
-B.M.: “…9305621. Any information that you need on Sahaja Yoga, that is the information hotline. And also, if you’re… netted up, you can point your browser at (  Sahaja spelt s.a.h.a.j.a.. And I can tell you, I did feel a little bit of the Breeze coming through. Um, so I… I don’t know, I may have to pop along, because it was a… I don’t know, Peace…”
-MOD.: “Very very strange!”
-B.M.: “Very very strange!”
-MOD.: “Strange experience!”
-B.M.: “Never have I experienced anything like… like that in the whole of my life. Seriously.”

(Click) What is Baptism Really?

Enjoy a A Small Collection of Interviews with the founder of Sahaja Yoga Meditation :

for Afrique Magazine (in English) in Paris, France 1989

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–  Short Excerpt from an Interview on Real Yoga & Fitness

– Answers on The Holy Ghost in ”Question of Belief with Laurence Spicer” Radio-Show with Shri Mataji (UK, London, 1989)

on Importance of Relaxation

This Post Has 12 Comments

  1. Debbie

    Like mother says, you have to forgive and not feel guilty at all to allow Mother Kundalini to rise and enrich our souls. It is a pity that everyone isn’t open minded to just give it a try.

    Lots of love always.

  2. carmen

    Dear all:

    To actually read the words that Shri Mataji uses to explain so easily how receive and how to give Self Realization I felt just that I was in Heaven, cool breeze just coming out of my head.

    You can read how te interviewer felt in love with Shri Mataji as we all do.

    Absolutely fantastic, for me this interview was my Xmas gift.

    Thank you Ioana.


  3. Genevieve Brisou

    Dear Ioana

    The beautiful little picture comes from which painting?


    1. Ioana

      Dear Genevieve, I’ve seen it long time back and loved it for being so sahaj.. at that time I simply gathered whatever was touching my heart with a desire to share it further on when the time and the ocassion are ripe .. never thought about a blog at that time so the image is not documented .. I have it stored with the initial title (that I gave :-)) of “Kundalini above” or something like this.. If you find the original source please get back to me, I am very interested to find out as well. Thank you for your question and posting! Yours, Ioana

  4. Debbie

    Was very lovely to read this article again. Felt like Shri Mataji was right here. Her message is so pure and holds nothing but truth to it. Just imagine our world if everyone got their self-realization.

    Lots of love always.

  5. Great are those people who got the self realisation through Mataji in her presence and in front of her. They are luckiest people of the world. May Mataji bless us all.

  6. Jolanta


  7. NITI

    Kindling awakening is the only solution to get rid of all the worldly problems because it’s transformed human being and his awareness, and spontaneously the person dropped his or her all the jealousy anger guilt
    and all the habits which is not good for his or her benevolence. Thank you Shri Mataji for your all protection and taking us to realm of God.

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